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Evripidis
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Re: TR1 1981 fork cap  problems
Reply #10 - 24.10.24 at 08:44:59
 
Hello all and sorry for the resurrection again.

I have a question before I engage on this job.

How is the cap/circlip removed. I never had a bike with such fork.

I know the asnwer must be in the service manual, I asking if there are any tricks for this.

Evros

 
 

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Re: TR1 1981 fork cap  problems
Reply #11 - 24.10.24 at 12:45:25
 
Hello Evripidis,
I guess you want to remove the Cap to take out the springs inside of the fork-tube?

If it is so, remove the Steering bar to get enough space. Be careful , so that no Brake fluid escapes from the reservoir and perhaps damage other parts, e.g. your Fuel-Tank.

To remove the Caps it self you will need
 - a small Screwdriver with blade end, /(for slotted screws),
 - a Wrench Nut which fits to the Air Valve hex, and a suitable tool to get more distance for better workspace.
1. Take the wrench Nut assembly onto the hexagon socket of the air Valve
2. Puch down the Cap, enough so that the circlip inside is fully visible.
3. with the Screwdriver you can level out the beginning of the circlip. But be aware that the circlip is not jumping away. It it difficult to find it.
   It is a little bit tricky, but it will coming out.
4. Now let the plug (Cap) coming out by releasing pressure. If the Plug is not coming out at the first time, try again to push the plug into the Fork Tube and than release the pressure of holding down immediately. If necessary try it several times.
Reason could be some dirt inside, or a little bit of deformation of the grove of the circlip.

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Re: TR1 1981 fork cap  problems
Reply #12 - 24.10.24 at 12:55:06
 
Hallo Anja,

Thank you this makes sense now.

In reality I only want to replace the fork seals. The entire fork does not have to be taken apart, but I am afraid that I might damage the surface by trying to prise out the seal. I have done it before but I am afraid to do it on this bike.

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Re: TR1 1981 fork cap  problems
Reply #13 - 25.10.24 at 12:03:51
 
Hello Evripidis,
one  at first. My Description belongs to the removing of the Fork-Tube-Caps (Imags No: 15/38) with the Air valve in it.

Do you want to change the Oil seals of the Fork?
If you want to go ahead with your scheduled Replacement, be aware not to scratch the inner Tube !!!

Primary, it would be better to take the Front Fork Units out and fix them on your bench.

I have attached to images with parts of the Fork Assembly:
8 /31 = Dust Cover
4/27 = Circlip of the Oil-Seal
3/26 = Oil-Seal

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Re: TR1 1981 fork cap  problems
Reply #14 - 27.10.24 at 07:14:01
 
Hallo Anja,

Thank you, I read the parts catalogue and will also go through the service manual dilligently.

I will replace the oil too and renew the seals. Already ordered the seals becuase my usual supplier does not have them in stock.

I can handle this but I have another question.

Can I remove the front shocks when the bike is on the centre stand? Or do I need support?

Evros

 
 

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Re: TR1 1981 fork cap  problems
Reply #15 - 27.10.24 at 10:18:05
 
Hello  Evripidis,
you need to support the Engine !
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have a Look here:
https://www.tr1.de/pages/forum.php?iQuery=num=1724322130/3&anchor=3

Re: Zylinderköpfe demontieren an der Yamaha xv1000 tr1 5a8
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including a drawing for a selfmade Enginesupport (german: Motorstütze)
see also the pictures one abow
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You can use it for:
when using two additional clamping wedges to lift it a little bit (until the the Front Tire has cleard the ground):
- for Front Tire change
- for Works on Front Fork

without wedges:
a) loose Front Fork Clamps a allow Fork Tube to slip up, the Engine support device has to be come to the Ground.
Then:
- for Works on the Engine. e.G. for removing Cylinderhead / Cylinders

IF you are support your Engine by using a Wood Block or a hydraulic lifter, be aware to secure this safely to prevent falling away your Support from the Engine.

While working on the Front Fork, taking out a Tube or so, it is possible that your bike can come to a swinging. This swinging can shake your support away, if it is not fixed in position.

regards Anja

 
 

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Re: TR1 1981 fork cap  problems
Reply #16 - 28.10.24 at 10:22:01
 
Is you ask or write hard enough in the forum, you can possibly make the bike stand upright by itself, see also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_charming

Otherwise just put a jack under the engine...

Sorry, but i really can not resist...

 
 

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Re: TR1 1981 fork cap  problems
Reply #17 - 02.11.24 at 14:29:55
 
Hallo Anja,

I did it differently! But your plans are spot on and will at some point implement them.

I drilled 2 holes in the ground and attached a hook. The I used a ratchet strap to tie down the rear end very lightly. I had enough clearance to remove the forks.

Now I am back to read again what you have written about removing the cap....

I might have a hard time.

I think that the forks where filled with the wrong oil, it was too thick coming out....

Evros

 
 

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Re: TR1 1981 fork cap  problems
Reply #18 - 02.11.24 at 16:30:33
 
OK, here you go. Pictures of the support for removing the front forks.

And then a contraption I devised to get the circlips out. After a lot of huffing, puffing and penetrating liquid  Wink

I decided a tool is needed. So I used what I had in the parts bin. It is pretty self explanatory.

Got it out pretty easily then. Bit crusty but will be fine. I should have replaced the springs but I'll do a rebuild at some other time. Teflon rings and tubes.

I will try and get wirth or hagon.
 

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Re: TR1 1981 fork cap  problems
Reply #19 - 05.11.24 at 05:05:55
 
Good Moning Evripidis,
your TR1 looks good, so far.
You are very creative, indeed.

Fork-Oil : 10W , Volume per Tube: 288ccm
Kind regards
Anja

 
 

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