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Tritonkev TR1 Board Newbie Posts: 24	Starting issue 13.11.23 at 20:13:41 OK the bike has been laid up for 20 years with i now suspect was down to this issue The engine would turn over slowly with the plugs in and spin quite nicely with the plugs out while using an old car battery I bought a new battery today and tried to start it but now with the extra cranking power something is slipping I suspect either the starter clutch or the ring gear in the motor My question is is possible to fix the ring gear by drilling and tapping a couple of set screws can I do this with the motor in place ? I would like to start the engine first to see if its OK before I invest a lot of time and effort
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hornschorsch TR1 Board Extraterrestrial Member Posts: 2840 Gender: Bike: TR1, SR500, XJ650-Turbo, RD350-YPVS, R[DG]500	Re: Starting issue Reply #1 - 14.11.23 at 09:58:14 Quote: My question is is possible to fix the ring gear by drilling and tapping a couple of set screws can I do this with the motor in place ? Should be possible but mostly its the starter clutch. Quote: I would like to start the engine first to see if its OK before I invest a lot of time and effort Did you clean the carbs and tank and filled in fresh fuel? Otherwise i dont believe it will start after 20 years...
	Gruss, Schorsch Fahrt so schnell ihr könnt, so lange ihr noch könnt! (Uli Peil im XJ-Forum)
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Tritonkev TR1 Board Newbie Posts: 24	Re: Starting issue Reply #2 - 14.11.23 at 17:55:31 Thanks
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Tritonkev TR1 Board Newbie Posts: 24	Re: Starting issue Reply #3 - 14.11.23 at 18:00:59 Hoping the picture comes out
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Tritonkev TR1 Board Newbie Posts: 24	Re: Starting issue Reply #4 - 14.11.23 at 18:04:30 I am thinking that with welded up starter clutch this has made the ring gear in the starter spin as the ring gear just fell out if I use loctite 638 would this hold it?
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BSchneider2000 TR1 Board Full Member Posts: 168 Gender: Bike: TR1 (5A8) 130000km selbst gefahren.	Re: Starting issue Reply #5 - 15.11.23 at 10:27:15 Hallo Tritonkev, ich würde das nicht tun. Sie machen mehr kaputt, als das es hilfreich wäre. Einen neuen Anlasserfreilauf bekommen sie schon für 30€ im WWW. (Auf die richtige Zähnezahl achten !!) Wenn sie verschweißen oder kleben, und es geht schief, habe sie mehr Schaden als 30€. Von welchem Zahnkranz sprechen sie ?? Vom Planetengetriebe im Anlassermotor ? Wenn ich mich richtig erinnere, wird dieser Zahnkranz nur durch Pressung beim Zusammenbau gehalten. Wenn diese Presskraft nicht reichen sollte, kann man einen dünnen Blechring (0,3mm) zusätzlich einlegen und dann verschrauben. Reinigen sie vor dem Zusammenbau alles von Fett und Öl, und fetten sie dann nur die Teile die es benötigen. Grüße Brunó
	IMG_20231115_101026.jpg Picture below may be scaled. Click link or picture for original size \| Click here for all attachments ....... nur Bulldog (Hanomag) fahren ist schöner. und Motorradfahrer töten nicht, sie werden getötet.
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hornschorsch TR1 Board Extraterrestrial Member Posts: 2840 Gender: Bike: TR1, SR500, XJ650-Turbo, RD350-YPVS, R[DG]500	Re: Starting issue Reply #6 - 15.11.23 at 12:33:37 Quote from Tritonkev on 14.11.23 at 18:04:30: I am thinking that with welded up starter clutch this has made the ring gear in the starter spin as the ring gear just fell out if I use loctite 638 would this hold it? Perhaps this will work, otherwise drill a hole into the housing and fix the ring with a set screw.
	Gruss, Schorsch Fahrt so schnell ihr könnt, so lange ihr noch könnt! (Uli Peil im XJ-Forum)
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nanno TR1 Board Extraterrestrial Member Ich mags halt gern ned ganz so original... Posts: 2256 Gender: Bike: TR1, XT600, SR500-Gespann	Re: Starting issue Reply #7 - 15.11.23 at 17:04:31 Later/aftermarket versions of this starter have the ring-gear keyed in place either with a roll-pin or an actual key. Regarding removal: if you take the two long M5/M6 bolts out which hold the whole starter assembly together you can split the starter right at the planetary gear. Cheers, Greg
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Tritonkev TR1 Board Newbie Posts: 24	Re: Starting issue Reply #8 - 15.11.23 at 19:05:34 Thank you all I've ordered a new starter clutch and I will peg the ring gear
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hornschorsch TR1 Board Extraterrestrial Member Posts: 2840 Gender: Bike: TR1, SR500, XJ650-Turbo, RD350-YPVS, R[DG]500	Re: Starting issue Reply #9 - 16.11.23 at 10:00:27 You can just keep the welded clutch. The new one will start to slip at some time and then you have to weld it again or buy a new one every few years.
	Gruss, Schorsch Fahrt so schnell ihr könnt, so lange ihr noch könnt! (Uli Peil im XJ-Forum)
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